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posted on 8.7.2009 at 12:51 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Dual PCB stick diagrami in debate

Evo, sm naredu novo temo samo za pogovarjanje o povezovanju dual PCB stickov in vsemu kar spada zraven.

Diagrame sem uredil po zapletenosti od najbolj enostavnega do najbolj zapletenega.

Tisti sivi pravokotniki so terminali oz. konektorji poljubne vrste, ker sem prišel na idejo, da bi vse stvari ločil na posamezne module - gumbi in joystick, Cthulhu, MadCatz, Imp, LED modul in LEDice ...

Komot jih seveda lahko izpustite in kable vežete (lotate) direkt z gumbov na Cthulhu, MadCatz direkt nalotate na Cthulhu itd. itd.

S konektorji bi se dalo lepo oblikovat vsak modul ločeno in jih pol povezat s kakšnimi lepšimi in bolj urejenimi kabli, da ni zmede not, ampak sej, to je čist po želji ...



1. Diagram z dvema kabloma:





2. Diagram z zunanjim stikalom in enim kablom:





3. Diagram z enim kablom in Imp boardom (notranje avtomatsko stikalo):





4. Diagram z enim kablom in Imp boardom ter dodanim modulom za LEDice (dve različni možnosti):

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[url=http://www.shrani.si/f/2J/S5/6r1esMJ/006-dual-pcb-plus-imp-fi.png]Klikni za diagram 4!


Če bi kdo rabil še kej več podrobnosti o katerem koli delu, naj pove, pa bomo počasi dopolnili vse skupaj.







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posted on 8.7.2009 at 15:40 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Poenostavil sem še povezave okoli joysticka .. zelo možno pa je tudi, da bo mogoče naredit LED modul celo brez inverter čipov, kar bo mega bolj poenostavilo vse skupaj .. potem bom lahko naredil malo cheap od cheap vezje za simpl dodat LEDice v kateri koli common ground arcade stick







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posted on 9.7.2009 at 06:41 Edit Post Reply With Quote

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posted on 9.7.2009 at 11:43 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Zadnji diagram z LEDicami sem še dodatno poenostavil in dorisal obe možnosti za priklop LEDic.

Ko izvem katera je boljša, pa še to posodobim.

P.S.: forum neki jebe pri prikazu slik in pri četrti kr neki čudno parsa vse skupaj. Zato je zraven še ločen link do diagrama.







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posted on 30.10.2009 at 15:54 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Vprašanje,
kako je s kombinacijo MC ktuluja in wireless 360 pada, recimo tegale link





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posted on 30.10.2009 at 16:33 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Ne gre lahko.

Splošno pravilo je, da če delaš dual mod, greš raje na wired kontrolerje. Najlepše ktulu + madcatz.

V teoriji se vse da, a potem se moraš drkati z različnim napajanjem (ktulu 5 v preko USB, x360 wireless manj - 3->3.5 in preko baterij) pa potem sinhronizacija in polnjenje postaneta hardkor jajc.

Je pa rešitev, četudi ne povsem elegantna, za dat skupaj karkoli - da vse razdeliš ročno z drobovjem DB25 stikala



kot imam namen tudi sam narediti jaz za svoj multi PCB wireless.





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posted on 7.4.2010 at 17:49 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Hey a mate kakšn posebn način slučajn pr lotanju žic iz x360 borda na cthulujeve tiste A-H pa 1-9 mejhne krogce? ... sm čisti začetnik in če tm kej zeznm je loh bad ... če je pa treba sam bit natančn se bom pa pač potrudu .. nimam lih najtanjše une naprave tut

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posted on 7.4.2010 at 18:41 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Prvo pravilo lotanja; vedno nanesi lot na obe (ali VSAJ eno) površini, ki jih boš spajal. To pomeni, da mora biti vsaka žička pocinkana preden jo boš lotal kamorkoli. Podoben princip velja pri lotanju žičk na MadCatza. Tudi na njega naneseš prej lot.

Ok, zdaj pa k tistim malim luknjam na ktuluju (ki že itak imajo cink okoli). Po mojih izkušnjah imaš dva načina kako se boš tega lotil;

1) Žico porineš skozi luknjo in obrneš ktuluja na glavo. Pomaga, če ti kdo pomaga. No, potem samo prisloniš vročo konico ob žičko in daš zraven lot. V bistvu je bolje, če se konica dotika tudi ktuluja, tako da se bo lot razlezel dol po žici in spojil z lotom okoli lukenj.

2) Drugi način prakticiram zadnje čase. Je boljši, ker ne rabiš pomoči od nikogar. What I do, je da nanesem malo ekstra lota na žico in pustim da steče dol k izolaciji. Potem samo porinem žičko skozi luknjo, dokler pač ne gre več dalje (ker jo ustavi bula od lota). Sedaj samo prislonim konico k tej buli, ki se v sekundi razleze po lotu okoli luknje na ktuluju.

Če povzamemo, pri prvem načinu lotaš od spodaj, pri drugem pa od zgoraj. Rezultat je isti, s tem da pri prvem načinu že skoraj rabiš dodatno pomoč nekoga, ki ti drži ktuluja.
Drugi način je morda za spoznanje manj estetski, toda zalotano je prav tako.

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Also, če slučajno karkoli zasereš na teh malih luknjah (1-9, a-h), ni še nobene panike, ker v bistvu imajo te luknje iste kontakte kot tisti veliki placi za zaviti žico notri. Tako da v najslabšem primeru, bi lahko vse žice nesel direktno v glavni kontakt in jih tam spojil skupaj z žicami, ki gredo naprej na gumbe/ročko.





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posted on 7.4.2010 at 20:12 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Težko zajebeš tam pri luknjah. Tudi če moraš odlotat celotno žico, in imaš luknjo polno lota, so še opcije.
Ena je uporaba suckerja (kaj jaz vem kako se mu reče), oziroma pumpice, ki povleče lot ven. Prej ga seveda segreješ.
Če suckerja nimaš, še ni konec sveta. Dodaj malce ekstra lota na konec žice in prisloni vse skupaj k zafilani luknji. Potem samo segrej zadeve in ekstra lot na žici se spoji z lotom v luknji.
Žica včasih tako sicer ne gre skozi luknjo, ampak spoj drži enako.





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posted on 2.9.2010 at 10:49 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Imam eno vprašanje.

Bo tale xbox360 pad ok za povezavo (dual pcb) s cthulhujem ? Nikjer tudi ne vidim, da bi pisalo kje, da je common ground controler.

Link:
http://www.gameseek.co.uk/pd/Xbox-360ew0zuhq2c4u/

Madcatzov (tiste, ki smo jih skupaj naročali) nikjer ne najdem na netu oz. jih nimajo na zalogi. Zato sem našel tega. Sicer pa, če ima kdo še kakega madcatza na zalogi, odkupim takoj.


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posted on 2.9.2010 at 11:38 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Zanimivo, Datel. Saj verjetno je bilo samo vprašanje časa kdaj bo še nekdo začel zobat Madcatzovo potico.

Nimam pojma, mogoče je kdo na SRK že kaj testiral. Za Madcatze pa poglej na eBayu, jaz jih tam vedno najdem.

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http://shoryuken.com/f177/datel-wildfire-controller-pcb-234742/

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posted on 2.9.2010 at 12:34 Edit Post Reply With Quote


Evo, tu je izveda multi-PCB kabla by ITA glavni padhackz0r M K L

Ni, kaj, fant ima rad clean job.

Saj, po funkcionalnosti je isti kot moj kabel s štirimi žicami. Samo da je ta neprimerno lepši in izdelava kot tovarniška (sigurno po tudi po kvaliteti), moj pa nek krhek v neki plastični gnili made in YU škatli pred razcepom na več kablov.

Pač, trik je samo ta element nekje zbrskat in ubavit.

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http://www.meijer.com/s/mad-catz-xbox-360-gamepad/_/R-30517?cmpid=CASEM


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posted on 2.9.2010 at 13:04 Edit Post Reply With Quote
To so ti, ki jih navadno hackamo, ja. S tem, da imajo ti eno proizvodno serijo, v kateri pa so padi NON common ground, kar je fail za multikonzo. Ok, veliko večja šansa, da boš dobil takega, ki je coomon ground, samo spet, sem jaz že na 3 non commone nagazil.

Kar jaz priporočam je, da se izbrska tiste Madcatz official SF4 pade za čimnižjo ceno. So lahki za hackat, so vsi sigurno common ground in povrhu imajo čisto vse gumbe digitalne, tako da ni zajebancije s hackanje triggerjev.

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posted on 2.9.2010 at 13:52 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Mmmm, res elegantno tole od italijana.





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Mmmm, res elegantno tole od italijana.


italijani smrdijo



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posted on 2.9.2010 at 21:27 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Ej..kaj pa če bi hotel imeti RJ45 in S-video hkrati? Torej en kabel, ki se lahko vseeno detacha.

To pomeni, da bi moral s-video kabel zvezati z RJ45 konektorjem, right?

Jel to moguče?





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posted on 3.9.2010 at 17:15 Edit Post Reply With Quote
povežeš lahko karkoli, samo da je v obeh dovolj žic ... ostalo so itak samo konektorji, ki jih daš gor kakršne hočeš ...







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posted on 4.9.2010 at 17:42 Edit Post Reply With Quote
Ja itak. S-video je bil le tedaj ena moja ideja, ker je bil prvi kabel z osmimi žilami, ki mi je padel na pamet, a potem sem itak ugotovil, da obstajajo tudi lan kabli, ki so bolj mehki od običnih (morajo biti pač pletene a.k.a. stranded žice notri) in je to to. Gotovo ful cenejše in lažje za dobit od S-videa.





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Kar se tiče nabave xbox pada, je bil na koncu naročen madcatzov fight pad za 20 USD, ki je common ground in še vse knofe ma digitalne. Kaj bi še hotel lepšga

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